A Meeting at the Vatican: Father James Martin, Pope Leo XIV, and the Call to Welcome All

A Meeting at the Vatican: Father James Martin, Pope Leo XIV, and the Call to Welcome All

On September 1, 2025, Jesuit priest Father James Martin, a prominent advocate for greater inclusion of the LGBTQIA community within the Catholic Church, met with Pope Leo XIV in a private audience at the Vatican’s Apostolic Palace. This meeting, announced officially by the Vatican, has sparked significant discussion among Catholics worldwide. For some, it signals a hopeful continuation of Pope Francis’ legacy of openness and pastoral care toward marginalized groups. For others, it raises concerns about the direction of the Church and the risk of diluting its doctrinal teachings. This blog post explores the context of this meeting, the reasons behind the mixed reactions, the Church’s call to welcome all people, the concerns surrounding Father Martin’s approach, and the importance of interpreting this event with nuance and mercy.

 The Context of the Meeting

Father James Martin, S.J., is a well-known figure in Catholic circles, particularly for his ministry through Outreach, an organization he founded to promote inclusion and pastoral care for LGBTQIA Catholics. His 2017 book, Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity, has been both praised and criticized. Supporters see it as a compassionate call to bridge divides, while detractors argue it risks undermining the Church’s teachings on sexuality and marriage. Martin’s multiple audiences with Pope Francis, who appointed him to the Dicastery for Communication and the Synod on Synodality, further elevated his profile as a voice for inclusion. His meeting with Pope Leo XIV, the first American pope, elected in May 2025, continues this trajectory.

Pope Leo XIV, formerly Cardinal Robert F. Prevost, is a relatively new figure on the global stage. His election followed the papacy of Pope Francis, whose 12-year tenure was marked by a pastoral emphasis on mercy, inclusion, and synodality—a process of listening and dialogue within the Church. Leo’s choice of name invokes Leo XIII, known for his contributions to Catholic social teaching, signaling a commitment to justice and the marginalized. However, his past remarks from 2012, where he criticized the “homosexual lifestyle” and media portrayals of same-sex relationships, raised questions about his stance on LGBTQIA issues. In a 2023 interview, Prevost acknowledged Pope Francis’ call for a more inclusive Church, stating, “All people are welcome in the Church,” while emphasizing that doctrine remains unchanged.[](https://apnews.com/article/pope-leo-james-martin-lgbtq-holy-year-f54bbf057757bdb7230802a8d5d77242)

The September 1 meeting, lasting about 30 minutes, was described by Father Martin as “wonderful,” “consoling,” and “encouraging.” He reported that Pope Leo XIV echoed Pope Francis’ message of welcome, quoting the famous phrase, “Todos, todos, todos” (everyone, everyone, everyone), and encouraged Martin to continue his ministry. The Vatican’s public announcement of the meeting, held in the pope’s private library—a space reserved for significant encounters—underscored its importance. Yet, it also fueled debate, as some Catholics interpreted it as an endorsement of Martin’s approach, while others urged caution in reading too much into it.[](https://www.ncronline.org/pope-leo-embraces-francis-legacy-lgbtq-catholics-father-james-martin-says)

 Why Some Catholics Are Concerned

The concerns among certain Catholics stem from Father Martin’s public persona and the perception that his ministry sometimes blurs the line between pastoral care and doctrinal fidelity. The Catholic Church’s teachings on sexuality, as outlined in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), are clear: homosexual acts are considered “intrinsically disordered” (CCC 2357), and marriage is defined as a sacramental union between one man and one woman (CCC 1601). While the Church calls for respect, compassion, and sensitivity toward individuals with same-sex attraction, it maintains that sexual activity is reserved for marriage and oriented toward procreation.[](https://apnews.com/article/pope-leo-james-martin-lgbtq-holy-year-f54bbf057757bdb7230802a8d5d77242)

Critics argue that Father Martin’s advocacy, while framed as pastoral, sometimes downplays or sidesteps these teachings. His book Building a Bridge emphasizes dialogue and inclusion but has been criticized for not sufficiently addressing the Church’s moral teachings on sexuality. Some point to his public statements, such as his support for blessings of same-sex unions under certain circumstances (as permitted by Fiducia Supplicans in 2023), as risking confusion among the faithful. Conservative Catholic commentators, such as Taylor Marshall and John-Henry Weston, expressed dismay at the meeting, with Weston calling it a “nightmare scenario” on social media. They fear that Martin’s prominence, amplified by papal audiences, could signal a shift away from traditional teachings, even if no doctrinal change has occurred.[](https://apnews.com/article/pope-leo-james-martin-lgbtq-holy-year-f54bbf057757bdb7230802a8d5d77242)[](https://thecatholicherald.com/article/pope-leo-meets-fr-james-martin-at-the-vatican)

These concerns are not merely about Martin’s actions but reflect broader tensions within the Church. The Synod on Synodality, in which both Martin and then-Cardinal Prevost participated, emphasized listening to diverse voices, including those of marginalized groups like LGBTQIA Catholics. However, some Catholics worry that this emphasis on dialogue could lead to a watering-down of doctrine, particularly on contentious issues like sexuality. The fear is that high-profile meetings like this one might be interpreted as tacit approval of views that challenge the Church’s moral framework, even if no explicit endorsement is made.

 The Call to Welcome All

Despite these concerns, the Catholic Church’s mission to welcome all people is rooted in the Gospel and the example of Jesus Christ. The parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37) and Jesus’ outreach to sinners and outcasts (e.g., the woman caught in adultery, John 8:1-11) demonstrate a call to love and accompany all people, regardless of their circumstances. The Catechism itself instructs that individuals with homosexual inclinations “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity” and that “every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided” (CCC 2358). Pope Francis’ papacy amplified this message, famously saying, “Who am I to judge?” when asked about a gay priest, and emphasizing that the Church is a “home for all.”[](https://www.ncronline.org/pope-leo-embraces-francis-legacy-lgbtq-catholics-father-james-martin-says)

This call to welcome extends to the LGBTQIA community, who often feel marginalized or excluded from the Church. Many LGBTQIA Catholics experience a profound tension: they desire to live their faith authentically while grappling with teachings that label their attractions or relationships as disordered. Pastoral ministry to this community seeks to bridge this gap, offering spiritual accompaniment and a sense of belonging without compromising the Church’s teachings. Pope Francis’ actions—meeting with LGBTQIA individuals, approving Fiducia Supplicans, and appointing figures like Father Martin to prominent roles—reflected this balance, prioritizing mercy while upholding doctrine.[](https://outreach.faith/2025/04/pope-francis-changed-my-life-countless-lgbtq/)

Pope Leo XIV’s meeting with Father Martin suggests a continuation of this approach. By quoting “Todos, todos, todos,” Leo reaffirmed that the Church is a place for everyone, including those who feel on the margins. This is particularly significant during the 2025 Jubilee of Hope, which includes a pilgrimage for LGBTQIA Catholics organized by Martin’s Outreach and the Italian group Jonathan’s Tent. Though not officially sponsored by the Vatican, the pilgrimage’s inclusion on the Vatican’s calendar signals a willingness to engage with this community. As Martin noted, this reflects Jesus’ outreach to those on the margins, a core tenet of Christian charity.[](https://www.ncronline.org/pope-leo-embraces-francis-legacy-lgbtq-catholics-father-james-martin-says)

 Why Father Martin May Not Be the Ideal Messenger

While the call to welcome all is indisputable, some argue that Father Martin is not the ideal figure to lead this effort due to his approach to Church doctrine. His public statements and writings often emphasize inclusion over clarity, which can create confusion. For example, his support for blessings of same-sex unions, while aligned with Fiducia Supplicans, has been seen by critics as implying approval of relationships that the Church does not recognize as equivalent to marriage. His reluctance to explicitly reaffirm the Church’s teachings on sexual morality in some contexts has led to accusations that he “waters down” doctrine to make it more palatable to modern sensibilities.[](https://thecatholicherald.com/article/pope-leo-meets-fr-james-martin-at-the-vatican)

This perception is compounded by Martin’s high-profile platform, including his role at America Magazine, his books, and his frequent media appearances. His X posts, such as the one announcing his meeting with Pope Leo XIV, are often celebratory and focus on themes of welcome without always addressing the Church’s moral teachings. This can lead some to misinterpret his message as endorsing a change in doctrine, even when he insists he upholds the Catechism. Critics argue that a more effective messenger would clearly articulate both the Church’s call to love and its unchanging teachings, avoiding ambiguity that could mislead the faithful or polarize the Church.[](https://thecatholicherald.com/article/pope-leo-meets-fr-james-martin-at-the-vatican)

Moreover, Martin’s critics point to his association with advocacy groups that sometimes push for changes beyond pastoral care, such as altering the Catechism’s language on homosexuality or recognizing same-sex unions. While Martin himself has not explicitly called for these changes, his participation in events organized by such groups can create the impression of alignment with their agendas. This risks alienating Catholics who value doctrinal clarity and fear that the Church is moving toward a more progressive stance that could undermine its moral authority.

 The Need for Mercy and Nuance

Despite these concerns, the Catholic call to mercy remains paramount. Jesus’ command to “love one another as I have loved you” (John 13:34) is a cornerstone of Christian life. Mercy does not mean abandoning truth but approaching others with humility, compassion, and a willingness to accompany them in their struggles. For LGBTQIA Catholics, this means recognizing their dignity as children of God, listening to their experiences, and helping them navigate their faith journey without judgment or exclusion. Father Martin’s ministry, for all its controversies, seeks to embody this mercy, and his meetings with both Pope Francis and Pope Leo XIV suggest that the Church’s leadership values this pastoral approach, even if it is imperfectly executed.[](https://outreach.faith/2025/04/pope-francis-changed-my-life-countless-lgbtq/)

However, mercy must be balanced with truth. The Church’s teachings on sexuality are rooted in its understanding of human anthropology, the complementarity of the sexes, and the purpose of marriage. These are not arbitrary rules but reflections of the Church’s belief in God’s design for humanity. Pastoral care that ignores or downplays these truths risks leading people astray, offering a false sense of acceptance that may not align with the path to holiness. The challenge is to communicate both love and truth in a way that invites people into the Church without compromising its moral foundation.

 Interpreting the Meeting with Caution

Father Martin’s X post about his meeting with Pope Leo XIV, where he wrote, “I was honored and grateful to meet with the Holy Father… and moved to hear the same message I heard from Pope Francis on LGBTQ Catholics, which is one of openness and welcome,” has been widely shared and interpreted. Some see it as evidence that Pope Leo XIV fully endorses Martin’s ministry, while others caution against overreading the encounter. The Vatican’s decision to announce the meeting publicly suggests it carries symbolic weight, but it does not necessarily imply an endorsement of every aspect of Martin’s platform.[](https://thecatholicherald.com/article/pope-leo-meets-fr-james-martin-at-the-vatican)

Pope Leo XIV, in his brief papacy, has emphasized synodality—listening to diverse voices within the Church. His meeting with Martin, whom he knew from the Synod on Synodality, reflects this commitment to dialogue. As Martin noted in a May 2025 interview, Leo (then Cardinal Prevost) was “very open, welcoming, [and] inclusive” during synod discussions. However, Leo’s 2023 comments reaffirming unchanged doctrine indicate that his openness is not a blank check for revising Church teaching. The meeting, therefore, is best seen as an act of listening, not a wholesale approval of Martin’s views. Vatican officials have also clarified that the inclusion of the Outreach pilgrimage on the Jubilee calendar is logistical, not an endorsement, further underscoring the need for nuance.[](https://apnews.com/article/pope-leo-james-martin-lgbtq-holy-year-f54bbf057757bdb7230802a8d5d77242)[](https://www.ncronline.org/pope-leo-embraces-francis-legacy-lgbtq-catholics-father-james-martin-says)

Catholics should avoid jumping to conclusions based on Martin’s X post or media reports. The Church’s history shows that popes often meet with individuals whose views spark debate, not to endorse them but to engage in dialogue. Pope Francis met with controversial figures across the spectrum, from liberation theologians to traditionalist leaders, as part of his pastoral mission. Leo’s meeting with Martin fits this pattern, reflecting a desire to hear from those ministering to marginalized groups without necessarily affirming every aspect of their approach.

 Conclusion: Balancing Welcome, Truth, and Mercy

The meeting between Father James Martin and Pope Leo XIV highlights the delicate balance the Catholic Church must strike in its mission to welcome all people while upholding its teachings. The call to love and accompany the LGBTQIA community is rooted in the Gospel and reinforced by the examples of Popes Francis and Leo. However, this welcome must be grounded in truth, clearly communicating the Church’s teachings on sexuality and marriage to avoid confusion or division. Father Martin’s ministry, while well-intentioned, has sparked legitimate concerns about clarity and fidelity, making him a polarizing figure. Yet, the response to his work—and to this meeting—should be marked by mercy, recognizing his desire to reach those on the margins.

Catholics must approach this moment with nuance, resisting the temptation to read too much into a single meeting or social media post. Pope Leo XIV’s commitment to synodality suggests he will continue to listen to diverse voices, including those like Father Martin, without necessarily endorsing their platforms. As the Church navigates these complex issues, it must embody Christ’s love, welcoming all while guiding them toward the truth that leads to true freedom and holiness. In doing so, it can fulfill its mission as a “home for all,” where mercy and truth meet in the heart of the Gospel.[](https://www.ncronline.org/pope-leo-embraces-francis-legacy-lgbtq-catholics-father-james-martin-says)