Showing posts with label Jordan Williams. Show all posts
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Wednesday, June 28, 2023

Daniel Penny Arraigned & Jordan Williams' Charges Dropped

Today was a day that will hopefully educate people who do not understand what self-defense means in the legal context. 

However, we still see nonsensical rants and tweets being posted online mainly by Caucasian conservatives who think that people can attack each other or kill each other and then claim self-defense.  This is not how American society operates. We cannot kill someone who taps us on the shoulder or shouts in our ears and then call it self-defense. 

Daniel Penny, a former Marine was arraigned this morning and entered a "Not Guilty" plea. His charges remain of Manslaughter in the second degree and negligent homicide.  He remains out on a $100,000 bond. A few hours later in a case similar to Penny's, Jordan Williams was exonerated from all charges. Williams was clear of all charges after he killed a man who entered a subway car he and his girlfriend were in and began to physically attack riders, including Williams' girlfriend. Williams jumped to defend her and others and during the struggle pulled out a knife stabbing the assailant who later died. Williams was arrested and charged with manslaughter in the second degree and criminal possession of a weapon. These are the charges which were dropped. 

You can read more about these cases in these previous posts and see the sources for each story:

https://www.sacerdotus.com/2023/06/daniel-penny-jordan-williams-self.html

https://www.sacerdotus.com/2023/05/marine-daniel-penny-kills-homeless.html

Let us focus on the differences between these cases and why one person was cleared and the other was not.  Both Penny and Williams were charged with manslaughter in the second degree. This is what the law says in New York State:


Section 125.15 - Manslaughter in the second degree

A person is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree when:

1. He recklessly causes the death of another person; or

2. [Repealed]

3. He intentionally causes or aids another person to commit suicide.

Manslaughter in the second degree is a class C felony.

N.Y. Penal Law § 125.15

Amended by New York Laws 2019, ch. 1,Sec. 8, eff. 1/22/2019.


Notice the word "recklessly." This is the keyword that differentiates between the Penny case and Williams' case.  In the Penny case, the deceased Jordan Neely, a homeless black male with mental illness enters the subway car where Daniel Penny, a former Marine is present. According to the videos and eyewitnesses that the grand jury processed, Neely enters in an agitated state and slams his jacket on the ground. He shouts and screams crying out for food and water and claims he is not afraid to die. The scene is obviously disturbing and puts everyone at ease. However, Penny comes from behind and grabs Neely by the neck in a chokehold bringing him to the ground on the subway car.  This chokehold is placed on Neely for an extended period of time which leads to the death of Neely. 


In the case of Williams, a man, possibly like Neely, homeless and mentally ill enters the subway where Williams and his girlfriend are present. However, this man begins to berate and physically attack riders including Williams' girlfriend.  Therein lies the huge difference between Penny's case and Williams' case: physical attack. While Neely was making a scene yelling and slamming his jacket, the assailant in Williams' case was actually physically attacking people including Williams' girlfriend.  This is what prompted Williams to defend himself, his girlfriend, and other passengers by engaging the assailant to the point of using a knife and killing the assailant. However, Penny had no reason to grab a man who was simply disturbing the peace by the neck choke holding him to death. There is absolutely no justification for them. Surely a screaming person on a subway is something that can be scary, but it is not a reason to kill the screaming person. 

This is why the case of Penny continues while the case of Williams was dropped and he was clear of charges.  Now about the criminal possession charge, it is not clear why it was dropped but in New York, possessing a knife less than 3'' is legal. If the knife Williams used fits this description then this is probably why the criminal possession charge was dropped.  Penny did not use a weapon but did chokehold someone to death. These actions were "reckless" as the law states. This is because he knew what would happen when applying a chokehold on a person. A chokehold is something that is illegal for police officers to use. This is because it kills people. It cuts off blood and oxygen supply to the brain and other vital organs. As a Marine, Penny would know this. It is a move meant to kill, not to restrain. Therefore, he acted recklessly causing the death of Neely. 

Penny had a duty to retreat.  In New York State, citizens have a duty to retreat if there is an option to do so. The law is clear and makes an exception in the case of the assailant attacking you in your home and so on. Here is the law:


In New York state, Article 35 of the penal code states:

(c) The physical force involved is the product of a combat by agreement not specifically authorized by law.

2. A person may not use deadly physical force upon another person under circumstances specified in subdivision one unless:

(a) The actor reasonably believes that such other person is using or about to use deadly physical force. Even in such case, however, the actor may not use deadly physical force if he or she knows that with complete personal safety, to oneself and others he or she may avoid the necessity of so doing by retreating; except that the actor is under no duty to retreat if he or she is:

(i) in his or her dwelling and not the initial aggressor; or

(ii) a police officer or peace officer or a person assisting a police officer or a peace officer at the latter`s direction, acting pursuant to section 35.30; or

(b) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing

or attempting to commit a kidnapping, forcible rape, forcible criminal sexual act or robbery; or

(c) He or she reasonably believes that such other person is committing or attempting to commit a burglary, and the circumstances are such that the use of deadly physical force is authorized by subdivision three of section 35.20.

In light of this, Penny had to retreat while Neely was shouting. There was no reason for him to grab him or even confront him. He is not law enforcement or security personnel. People online can claim all they want that he is a hero and protected people, but he really was not. He was the violent aggressor in this case, not Jordan Neely. The facts, video evidence, and eyewitness accounts demonstrate this.  Some are claiming he is being persecuted because he is Caucasian and Williams was exonerated because he is Black and the Black Lives Matter movement created an atmosphere of sensitivity towards African Americans. This is very far from the truth! Both Williams and Penny faced the same laws and court system and were judged by their peers in a grand jury. The evidence and law spoke and they decided accordingly. 

Some argue that there was no way to retreat on a moving subway. While this claim may sound rational, it is not.  Subways have ways to evacuate from. The MTA has specific instructions on how to evacuate, and stop a moving train which was provided in this post: https://www.sacerdotus.com/2023/05/marine-daniel-penny-kills-homeless.html. There are brakes, removable windows, and end doors which one can use to move about train cars. Moreover, after the arrest of Penny, we learned that the train was entering a station when the incident occurred. They were not in a deep long tunnel moving. Moreover, in a statement recorded on video Penny admitted that other passengers retreated see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeRb1ITkqX4.  He says in the 2.22-24 mark "people were too afraid getting away from him" so he admits that people were getting away from Neely, yet he did not. He took it upon himself to grab Neely from behind and chokehold him. 


Screenshot of video statement showing transcript of Penny's words.

Penny may have thought he was doing the right thing, but it was not the legal thing. All he had to do was ignore Neely and leave just like the other riders did as he describes in the video. Had Neely attacked physically, then he could have used force to defend himself and others. But this did not happen.  He simply killed a man who was disturbing the peace in a non-physical way.  We cannot have vigilantism in NYC. Penny must face charges and must be penalized for his reckless behavior.  However, the blame is not his. NYC has failed to help people like Neely. Until NYC steps up and helps these people, we will continue to see these cases and worse ones.  

My advice to Penny and his lawyers is to use PTSD as a defense. He was a Marine and their training does affect the human brain and emotional maturity. The shouting and actions of Neely may have triggered Penny to become a "soldier" in battle, so to speak. This is why he reacted. There is no evidence that Penny woke up that day on a mission to kill a black man. None whatsoever. People making this about race are purely ridiculous and are race-baiting.  

If I were Penny, I would have told people to leave and speak to Neely by myself calming him down. I would have offered to get him food and drink like he wanted. There was no need to kill this man.  This was NOT self-defense and we must not sympathize with Penny just because he is only 24, was a Marine, or is Caucasian without a criminal record. These are irrelevant. Similarly, we must not attack Neely because of his criminal past, his mental illness or situation. In a court of law, one's life is not a trial, only the acts being charged in the case. This is not a black vs white event nor should it ever become this. 


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Thursday, June 15, 2023

Daniel Penny, Jordan Williams & the Self-Defense Dilemma

It happened again.  Another attack in the subway resulted in one dead and another arrested.  The case is similar to that of Daniel Penny who killed Jordan Neely, however, things are very much different.  Jordan Williams, only 20, was with his girlfriend on the J train. Devictor Ouedraogo, 36 who is an ex-con was also on the same train. 

He began to attack people on the train including the young couple. Quedraogo punched Williams' girlfriend and all hell broke loose. The two men got into a scuffle. At one point, they were holding each other's head in a lock until Williams pull out a knife and stabbed Quedrago. The latter later succumbed to his injuries.  Williams and his girlfriend stayed on the train and were met with police at the Chauncey Street station. He was arrested and charged with manslaughter and criminal possession of a weapon. 

At his appearance in court today, the judge released Williams out without bail despite the Brooklyn District Attorney's office asking for a $100,000 bail. According to those present, the judge was very sympathetic to Williams telling him, "I have every reason to believe you will fight this case."  Perhaps the fact that the young man recently graduated from high school and was wearing his senior hoody sweatshirt may have had something to do with it, not to mention that the young man has no criminal record. Many witnesses spoke in defense of Williams saying he did the right thing. However, one disagreed stating "It's certainly something he didn't start or would have probably been involved in if it weren't for, you know, the guy who was killed being the aggressor," the witness said. "But you can't kill someone just because, you know, they started a fight with you." 

As expected, armchair political pundits on social media began making comparisons between the case of Penny and Neely with this new one. Some claim that it is not fair that Penny is being made out to be a murderer while the court seems more sympathetic to Williams. Others say that racism is at place. It ok over a week for Penny to be arrested and charged, but Williams was immediately arrested and charged. There does seem to be a discrepancy between the two cases. 

However, we must remember that one happened in Manhattan and the other in Brooklyn. Each county has its own District Attorney. That being stated, things will be done a bit differently. Nevertheless, the claim that Williams was immediately arrested while Penny was let go by the police is something we need to look into carefully.  In the case of Penny, he was the aggressor who came from behind and grabbed Neely as he was yelling for food and acting erratically.  Neely did not attack anyone physically. In the case of Williams, Quedraogo was attacking people physically, including Williams' girlfriend who was punched. So we see a big difference here.  

Moreover, Williams had a knife while Penny did not have a weapon.   In the case of Penny, he should have simply not gotten involved.  In fact, New Yorkers are known for ignoring things on the subway, including people who may be behaving erratically.  As for Williams, Quedraogo was the physical aggressor so the situation was different. Williams had no choice but to fight back. This man had just attacked people and punched his girlfriend.  However, he could have hit the assailant back or shoved him to the ground and fled with his girlfriend.  Stabbing the man with a knife could have been avoided. He could have used the knife to scare the assailant. The knife should only have been used if the assailant was attacking Williams to the point that Williams could not get a hit in or was incapacitated to the point that he could not retreat or fight back and stabbing him was the only option.  

Both cases have brought into the spotlight the crime problem in NYC's subway system and the fact that citizens have to fend for themselves. Citizens should not have to be put into this situation. They should be able to pay their fare and get on the subway to their destinations without issue. Moreover, it highlights the need to educate New Yorkers on how to defend themselves without catching a case. The duty to retreat clause is there, but more needs to be done to make it clear what force can be used and what constitutes self-defense in different situations. 

If not, we will continue to see these cases.  During an altercation, people are not thinking about the law or consequences. They are trying to survive.  Survival instincts kick in.  Everyone has the right to self-preservation, but the law must find a balance so that people can defend themselves and not be worried about breaking the law. There also has to be a balance that allows for people to fend off assailants without killing them and flexibility in regard to retreating.  The law cannot account for every situation, so this is why we have to reexamine these laws again and make them more flexible by clearly giving specific common situations and what to do in regard to self-defense and retreat.

UPDATE June 28, 2023

Jordan Williams was just cleared of any wrongdoing. All charges were dropped against him!


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Source:


https://nypost.com/2023/06/14/man-killed-on-nyc-train-punched-woman-before-fatal-stabbing-sources/


https://nypost.com/2023/06/13/36-year-old-man-fatally-knifed-at-brooklyn-subway-station/


https://nypost.com/2023/06/15/daniel-pennys-indictment-wont-change-the-roots-of-the-nyc-subway-crime-crisis/


https://abc7ny.com/brooklyn-subway-stabbing-jordan-williams-crime/13386860/


https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-subway-stabbing-bail-jordan-williams-20230615-2yskpwfoobhfxibefcwuwlxxjy-story.html


https://nypost.com/2023/06/14/man-killed-on-nyc-train-punched-woman-before-fatal-stabbing-sources/


https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-fatally-stabbed-during-argument-023600506.html


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-fatal-stabbing-new-york-city-subway-rider-rcna89473

UPDATED Source June 28, 2023:

Grand jury dismisses all counts against Jordan Williams (fox5ny.com)

Charges dropped against Jordan Williams who fatally stabbed homeless man on subway - ABC7 New York (abc7ny.com)

Grand jury dismisses all counts against Jordan Williams (fox5ny.com)

Charges dismissed against man in fatal Brooklyn subway stabbing, DA says | PIX11

Brooklyn train-stabber Jordan Williams dodges manslaughter prosecution (nydailynews.com)


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