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Thursday, December 4, 2025

Raymond Arroyo Claims on The World Over that Pope Leo XIV Wants St. Peter's Relics Back

In the December 4, 2025, broadcast of EWTN's "The World Over," host Raymond Arroyo reportedly claimed that Pope Leo XIV had requested the return of the relics of St. Peter—specifically, the bone fragments gifted by Pope Francis to Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew in 2019.

According to the alleged statement by Arroyo, the new pontiff wanted these relics placed in his papal palace. However, no verifiable record of this claim exists in episode summaries, available descriptions, or detailed overviews from EWTN's own platforms, YouTube uploads, or Vatican-related news outlets. 

The episode focused primarily on Pope Leo's recent apostolic trip to Lebanon and Turkey, discussions with the Papal Posse (Robert Royal and Fr. Gerald Murray), violence in Nigeria, and jihadism, with no mentions of St. Peter's relics in any documented content. Broader searches across news sources and social media yield no independent reporting or corroboration of this assertion beyond isolated, unverified user mentions.

Is Pope Leo XIV an "Indian giver"—a term implying someone who gives a gift only to demand it back—there is no factual basis to suggest he is. Without evidence that he ever requested the relics' return, the characterization doesn't apply. His public actions and statements since his election in May 2025 have emphasized ecumenical dialogue and unity with the Orthodox Church, including joint veneration of the relics during events like the November 30, 2025, feast of St. Andrew in Constantinople.There is no credible evidence that Pope Leo XIV asked for the relics of St. Peter to be returned.  It seemed Arroyo made it up or was confused. 

Pope Leo XIV (elected May 8, 2025, as the first American-born pontiff, formerly Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost) has participated in events involving the relics of St. Peter, such as venerating them alongside Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew (e.g., on November 30, 2025, where they kissed the reliquary containing bone fragments). He has also prayed at the shrine holding St. Peter's relics before his inaugural Mass and during other ceremonies.

The relics in question refer to specific bone fragments (nine small pieces from the Vatican necropolis discoveries, placed in a bronze reliquary by Pope Paul VI in 1968). These were gifted by Pope Francis in 2019 to Patriarch Bartholomew as an ecumenical gesture toward the Orthodox Church in Constantinople (where tradition holds St. Andrew's relics).

As stated, searches across news sources, Vatican reports, and social media discussions (including claims from December 2025 referencing EWTN's "The World Over") show no verified reports of Pope Leo XIV requesting their return. One unconfirmed mention appeared in a user's post citing a TV segment, but it lacks corroboration from official Vatican channels, major Catholic media (e.g., Vatican News, EWTN articles, Catholic News Agency), or broader reporting as of today.

Pope Leo XIV's actions emphasize unity and dialogue (including with the Orthodox), and he has venerated these same relics in joint settings without any reported demands for repatriation. The main relics of St. Peter remain under the high altar in St. Peter's Basilica.

We asked Raymond Arroyo on his X account for a source and never got a reply. No one else engaged our post either.





Here is a trimmed video where Raymond Arroyo makes the comments 9 minutes into the episode until 10:20 minutes. 


 

Monday, August 18, 2025

The Unaddressed Claims of Diane Montagna: Silence, Deceit, and Engagement Farming in the Traditionis Custodes Controversy

The Unaddressed Claims of Diane Montagna: Silence, Deceit, and Engagement Farming in the Traditionis Custodes Controversy

In July 2021, Pope Francis issued the motu proprio Traditionis Custodes, a document that significantly restricted the celebration of the Extraordinary Form, reversing the broader permissions granted by Pope Benedict XVI’s 2007 apostolic letter Summorum Pontificum. The Vatican cited a 2020 survey of bishops, conducted by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), as a key factor in this decision, with Pope Francis stating that the survey revealed a situation that “preoccupies and saddens me, and persuades me of the need to intervene.” 

This move sparked intense debate, particularly among traditionalist Catholics who felt the decision undermined their liturgical preferences. Among the voices amplifying this controversy was Diane Montagna, a senior American journalist and Vatican correspondent, whose reporting in 2021 and 2025 alleged that the Vatican misrepresented the survey’s findings to justify Traditionis Custodes. However, Montagna’s claims, which stirred significant attention, have since been met with silence—both from her and her supporters—raising questions about their validity, her motives, and the dynamics of engagement farming within traditionalist Catholic circles.

This blog post examines Montagna’s allegations, her subsequent silence on the matter, and the implications of her approach. It argues that her selective reporting, failure to address counterevidence, and lack of follow-up suggest a pattern of deceit aimed at exploiting the emotions of traditionalist Catholics for engagement and influence, rather than a commitment to truth. By analyzing her claims, the Vatican’s response, and the broader context of traditionalist media, this post will highlight how Montagna’s narrative fits into a larger trend of sensationalism that prioritizes gossip over reality.


 The Context: Traditionis Custodes and the 2020 Bishops’ Survey

To understand Montagna’s claims, we must first consider the backdrop of Traditionis Custodes. In 2007, Pope Benedict XVI’s Summorum Pontificum liberalized access to the Extraordinary Form, allowing priests to celebrate it without special permission and recognizing it as the “Extraordinary Form” of the Roman Rite. This move aimed to foster unity by accommodating traditionalist Catholics while affirming the Ordinary Form (the post-Vatican II Mass) as the normative liturgy. However, by 2020, concerns arose in the Vatican about the Extraordinary Form’s role in fostering division, particularly among groups rejecting the Second Vatican Council’s liturgical reforms.

In response, Pope Francis commissioned the CDF to survey bishops worldwide on the implementation of Summorum Pontificum. The survey, conducted between spring 2020 and January 2021, asked bishops about the Extraordinary Form’s impact in their dioceses, including its pastoral necessity, influence on seminaries, and any associated challenges. The CDF compiled a 224-page report, which included a detailed analysis and a summary with an “Overall Assessment” (Giudizio Complessivo). Pope Francis cited this survey in his July 2021 letter accompanying Traditionis Custodes, noting that it revealed issues requiring intervention, such as the use of the Extraordinary Form to “widen gaps, reinforce divergences, and encourage disagreements that injure the Church.”

Enter Diane Montagna. In July 2021, and more prominently in July 2025, Montagna published articles on her Substack claiming to have obtained parts of the CDF’s report, specifically the Overall Assessment and a collection of bishops’ quotations. She argued that the survey showed widespread bishop satisfaction with Summorum Pontificum, contradicting the Vatican’s rationale for Traditionis Custodes. Her July 1, 2025, article, titled “EXCLUSIVE: Official Vatican Report Exposes Major Cracks in Foundation of Traditionis Custodes,” alleged that the Vatican misrepresented the survey to justify restricting the Extraordinary Form, with some commentators even accusing Pope Francis of lying. Her follow-up on July 10, 2025, doubled down, citing additional excerpts and challenging Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni’s dismissal of her documents as “partial and incomplete.” These claims gained traction, with her initial X post garnering over 1 million views.


 Montagna’s Claims: A Closer Look

Montagna’s central assertion is that the CDF’s 2020 survey showed that most bishops who responded were satisfied with Summorum Pontificum and opposed changes to it, suggesting that Traditionis Custodes was based on a false premise. She cited the Overall Assessment, which reportedly stated that “the majority of bishops who responded to the questionnaire, and who have generously and intelligently implemented the MP Summorum Pontificum, ultimately express satisfaction with it,” and that altering it “would cause more harm than good.” She also highlighted positive comments, such as those from Archbishop Allen Vigneron, who praised Summorum Pontificum for fostering ecclesial peace, and noted the Extraordinary Form’s appeal to younger Catholics and converts.

However, Montagna’s reporting has significant flaws. First, she only published excerpts of the report’s second part (the summary), not the full 224-page document, which includes detailed, continent-by-continent analysis. This selective presentation raises concerns about cherry-picking data to support her narrative. For instance, a leaked survey from France, not addressed by Montagna, reportedly highlighted the Extraordinary Form’s negative impact on Church unity in some dioceses, aligning with Pope Francis’s stated concerns. Second, her claim that the Vatican misrepresented the survey assumes that Pope Francis asserted a majority of bishops demanded restrictions, which he did not. His letter emphasized a “situation” requiring intervention, not a universal consensus.

Moreover, the Vatican’s response, via Matteo Bruni, undermines Montagna’s narrative. On July 3, 2025, Bruni described her documents as “a very partial and incomplete reconstruction of the decision-making process,” suggesting that Pope Francis relied on additional, confidential reports. Montagna dismissed this, arguing that Traditionis Custodes only cited the bishops’ survey, but she failed to provide evidence that these other reports did not exist or were irrelevant. The Vatican’s silence on the documents’ authenticity further weakens her case, as does the fact that the CDF’s Fourth Section, which compiled the report, was formerly the Ecclesia Dei Commission, tasked with overseeing Summorum Pontificum. This group had a vested interest in presenting the Extraordinary Form favorably, potentially skewing the Overall Assessment.


 The Silence: Montagna’s Failure to Follow Up

Since her July 2025 articles, Montagna has not revisited her claims about the CDF survey or addressed the Vatican’s counterarguments. Her Substack and X posts have shifted focus to other topics, such as Pope Leo XIV’s message on the Hiroshima anniversary or critiques of Amoris Laetitia. This silence is striking, given the gravity of her accusations. If her documents truly exposed Vatican deceit, one would expect ongoing advocacy, especially as traditionalist Catholics continue to debate Traditionis Custodes. Instead, her lack of updates suggests either an inability to substantiate her claims further or a deliberate choice to move on after generating significant attention.

This silence aligns with a pattern of engagement farming, where sensational claims are made to capture attention but not sustained with rigorous follow-through. Montagna’s initial posts were amplified by prominent traditionalist figures like Dr. Peter Kwasniewski and Damian Thompson, who called her report a “BOMBSHELL” and accused Pope Francis of lying. Yet, these supporters have also largely dropped the issue, with no significant push for the Vatican to release the full survey or for Pope Leo XIV to retract Traditionis Custodes. This collective forgetting suggests that the controversy was less about truth and more about rallying traditionalist Catholics against a perceived Vatican agenda.


 Engagement Farming and the Traditionalist Audience

Montagna’s approach taps into a broader phenomenon within traditionalist Catholic media: engagement farming. Traditionalist Catholics, often skeptical of Vatican II and modern Church leadership, are a receptive audience for narratives of betrayal or conspiracy. Montagna’s claims about Traditionis Custodes—framed as exposing Vatican lies—resonate with this group’s distrust of Pope Francis, whom some view as hostile to tradition. By presenting selective evidence and framing it as a “BOMBSHELL,” Montagna generated significant online traction, with her X post reaching 1 million views. This aligns with the dynamics of social media, where provocative content drives clicks, shares, and subscriptions, even if it lacks full substantiation.

The traditionalist Catholic community’s appetite for such narratives often prioritizes gossip over facts. Comments on platforms like CatholicVote.org reveal a tendency to embrace Montagna’s claims without scrutiny, with users decrying Pope Francis as a “heretic” or celebrating the supposed exposure of Vatican deceit. This reaction reflects a confirmation bias, where traditionalists seek validation of their belief that the Vatican is suppressing the Extraordinary Form unjustly. Montagna’s failure to provide the full report or address counterevidence, such as the French survey, feeds this bias, as her audience is less likely to demand rigorous proof and more likely to accept her narrative as truth.


 The Role of Deceit and Selective Reporting

While Montagna’s supporters view her as a truth-teller, critics argue her reporting is misleading. A critical analysis on Sacerdotus.com accuses her of “deliberate falsehoods” through selective use of evidence and omission of countervailing data, such as the French survey’s findings on Extraordinary Form-related divisions. The site notes that her reliance on the Ecclesia Dei Commission’s summary, which may have been biased toward the Extraordinary Form, undermines her claim of exposing Vatican lies. Furthermore, her dismissal of Bruni’s statement about additional reports, without evidence to disprove their existence, suggests a predetermined narrative rather than objective journalism.

Montagna’s silence since July 2025 reinforces this critique. If her claims were as groundbreaking as she asserted, one would expect continued pressure on the Vatican to release the full survey or a response to Bruni’s statement. Instead, her shift to other topics suggests that the Traditionis Custodes controversy served as a vehicle for attention rather than a genuine pursuit of truth. This pattern is evident in her earlier 2021 reporting, which made similar claims but lacked follow-through, indicating a recurring strategy of dropping sensational stories without resolution.


 The Broader Implications

Montagna’s case highlights a troubling trend in Catholic media: the exploitation of liturgical and doctrinal disputes to fuel division and engagement. Traditionalist Catholics, feeling marginalized by Traditionis Custodes, are particularly vulnerable to narratives that cast the Vatican as the villain. While some of Montagna’s points—such as the survey’s positive comments about the Extraordinary Form—may have merit, her selective presentation and failure to engage with counterevidence undermine her credibility. Her silence since July 2025 further suggests that her goal was not to foster dialogue or reform but to capitalize on traditionalist outrage.

This dynamic has broader implications for the Church. The polarization between traditionalists and those supportive of Vatican II’s reforms is exacerbated by such reporting, which thrives on division rather than unity. Pope Francis’s stated goal in Traditionis Custodes was to address liturgical disunity, yet sensationalist narratives like Montagna’s deepen the divide, portraying traditionalists as victims of a deceitful Vatican. The lack of follow-up from Montagna and her supporters also points to a missed opportunity for constructive dialogue, such as advocating for the full survey’s release or engaging with Pope Leo XIV’s administration to revisit the issue.


 Conclusion

Diane Montagna’s claims about Pope Francis misrepresenting the 2020 bishops’ survey in Traditionis Custodes sparked significant controversy, but her silence since July 2025 reveals the fragility of her narrative. By selectively presenting evidence, ignoring counterpoints like the French survey, and failing to sustain her critique, Montagna appears to have engaged in deceitful reporting aimed at farming engagement from traditionalist Catholics. Her audience, prone to embracing gossip over facts, amplified her claims without demanding rigor, perpetuating a cycle of sensationalism. This case underscores the need for Catholics to approach such controversies with discernment, prioritizing truth over divisive narratives. As the Church navigates the legacy of Traditionis Custodes, honest dialogue, not engagement farming, is essential for healing and unity.


 


Sources:

- Sacerdotus: 

Sacerdotus: Critical Analysis of Diane Montagna's Article and Claims Regarding Traditionis Custodes

Sacerdotus: Diane Montagna Rehashes the Same Lies

Sacerdotus: Diane Montagna & 'Traditionalists' Lied about Pope Francis

Sacerdotus: Diana Montagna Blocks Sacerdotus on X After Refutation of Her Claims on Pope Francis: A Sign of Weak Journalism?

Sacerdotus: Diane Montagna On World Over - Vetting Her Claims

- CatholicVote.org: Vatican correspondent releases further evidence

- California Catholic Daily: Cracks revealed in Vatican anti-Latin Mass directive

- AKACatholic.com: Diane Montagna’s Empty BOMBSHELL UPDATE: Montagna’s BOMBSHELL still empty -

- CatholicVote.org: Vatican correspondent reports ‘major cracks’

- Anthony Esolen on X, July 2, 2025

- Dr. Peter Kwasniewski on X, July 10, 2025


 

Thursday, February 15, 2024

Pope Says 'To Eat Whatever For Lent'

In a surprising announcement, Pope Francis has given Catholics permission to eat whatever they want for Lent, the 40-day period of fasting and penance that precedes Easter. The Pope said that he wanted to show mercy and compassion to those who are struggling with the pandemic and its effects on their lives.

According to Vatican News, the Pope made the statement during his weekly general audience on Wednesday, February 14 . He said that Lent is a time of conversion and renewal, but also of solidarity and sharing. He said that he was aware of the difficulties that many people are facing due to the coronavirus crisis, such as hunger, poverty, unemployment, and isolation. He said that he wanted to offer them a sign of hope and encouragement.

The Pope said that eating whatever one wants for Lent does not mean giving up on the spiritual dimension of the season. He said that it is still important to pray, fast, and give alms in other ways, such as by helping those in need, being kind to others, and forgiving those who have hurt us. He said that eating whatever one wants for Lent is a way of expressing gratitude to God for the gift of life and the abundance of his creation.

The Pope's announcement has been met with mixed reactions from Catholics around the world. Some have welcomed it as a gesture of mercy and understanding, while others have criticized it as a deviation from the traditional teachings of the Church. Some have also questioned whether the Pope has the authority to change the rules of Lent, which are based on the Scriptures and the centuries-old traditions of the Church.

The Church teaches that Lent is a time of preparation for Easter, the celebration of Christ's resurrection from the dead. During Lent, Catholics are supposed to abstain from meat on Fridays and fast on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. Fasting means eating only one full meal and two smaller meals that do not equal a full meal. Abstinence means refraining from eating meat or any food made from animals, such as cheese, eggs, or milk.

The Church says that these practices help Catholics to detach themselves from worldly pleasures and focus on their relationship with God. They also help them to identify with Christ, who suffered and died for our sins, and with the poor, who often lack food and other necessities. The Church says that fasting and abstinence are not ends in themselves, but means to an end: namely, growing in love for God and neighbor.

The Pope has not issued any official document or decree to formalize his announcement. He has only spoken about it during his general audience, which is not a binding source of authority for the Church . Therefore, it is unclear whether his statement is meant to be taken as a suggestion or a command, and whether it applies to all Catholics or only to those who are in difficult situations.

Some experts have suggested that the Pope's statement should be interpreted in light of his personal style and his pastoral approach. They say that the Pope is not trying to change the doctrine or the discipline of the Church, but rather to emphasize the spirit and the purpose of Lent. They say that the Pope is inviting Catholics to reflect on what Lent means for them personally and how they can live it more authentically and meaningfully.

April is a month away, but here is an early APRIL'S FOOL!  The truth of the matter is that this story is FALSE.  Someone made up a quote and posted it on social media.  He never stated this and would never state this.  This goes to show how social media can be dangerous in regards to spreading false information. It is important that people vet articles and posts carefully and not automatically take things as fact. 


Source:

: https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2024-02/pope-francis-general-audience-lent-coronavirus.html

: https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-lenten-season

: https://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/liturgical-year-and-calendar/lent/catholic-information-on-lenten-fast-and-abstinence

: https://www.catholic.com/qa/what-are-the-rules-for-fasting-and-abstinence-in-the-catholic-church

: https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c2a4.htm

: https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/audiences/2024/02/documents/papa-francesco_20240214_udienza-generale.html

: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2024/02/14/pope-francis-lent-coronavirus-240265

Did Pope Francis Say 'Eat Whatever You Want For Easter'? | Snopes.com

Lent quote attributed to Pope Francis is fabricated | Fact check (usatoday.com)

FACT CHECK: Pope Francis quote on eating 'whatever you want' during Lent is fake (rappler.com)


Tuesday, December 12, 2017

Atheist Biologist Jerry Coyne Uses Fake Physics to Push His Ideas

According to a link tweeted by one of my former philosophy professors from CUNY, Dr. Massimo Pigliucci, Biologist Jerry Coyne used bogus physics to push his atheist agenda.  In other words, he broke one of the biggest rules in academia by using fake information to do research and push ideas. 

Coyne is a secular Jew who is an outspoken proponent of atheism.  He blogs his atheist agenda online at the blog https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/.








Coyne like many atheists relied on YoutTube videos for his information. Recently, an alleged atheist who blogs at AtheismInTheCity and is named Mike resorted to the same tactic in an exchange with me. He used videos from YouTube which he believed helped his poor arguments. They did not. It seems that this is a universal tactic among atheists due to the fact that atheism cannot be defended with science or reason.  William Hounslow who blogs as the fake "Rosa Rubicondior" also does this.  These alleged atheists do not have academic credentials so they become google scholars by googling things and splicing up what they find to make it presentable rubbish.  Atheism is speculative rhetoric that feeds a cognitive bias. Science cannot support it. 

Coyne used videos on theories of the multiverse to attack the idea of a fine-tuned universe. This is the video he used:




Apparently, Coyne believes that the CMB or Cosmic Microwave Background is proof that the multiverse exists. This is just nonsense. While there are models out there claiming that a multiverse exists, we just do not have any evidence. Moreover, even if a multiverse did exist, we would have no way of studying it because it would be outside of our realm of existence. There is just no evidence for it. The idea of a multiverse is also problematic. If there are "bubble universes" out there and our universe was allegedly created when two of these "bubble universes" collided, then how did the two come to be if there had to be other prior existing "bubble universes" which collided to create those? It creates a paradox. For every possible universe, there has to be an antecedent that created it. When it reaches the "ends" of regression, then what created that "ends?"  An uneducated atheist may say that the universe is eternal, but general relativity says that universes have to have a beginning. 

Furthermore, I really do not see how the multiverse model can show that there is no such thing as a philosophical or theological thing as fine-tuning or a fine-tuned universe. It would just show that God is a master builder who loves to create different forms of universes.

In any event, we see the dishonesty of atheists even in the scientific field. It speaks much to the inability of atheist scientists' attempt to use science against God. Since actual science is not against God, they have to make up a version of it that does.







Source:

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=9832







Monday, July 10, 2017

Pope Slander

Pope Francis and Pope Benedict XVI, as two living popes during an unprecedented period in Catholic history (2013–2022), have often been pitted against each other in narratives of church division, reform, and crisis. One notable incident that fueled such tension was a statement attributed to Benedict suggesting the Church was in peril, likened to a boat on the verge of capsizing. This comment, and its interpretation as a critique of Francis’s leadership, has been labeled by some as slanderous against the reigning pope. Here’s an exploration of this moment, its context, and why it might be seen as unfair or exaggerated criticism.
In July 2017, Benedict’s private secretary, Archbishop Georg Gänswein, read a letter from the retired pope at the funeral of Cardinal Joachim Meisner, a conservative figure and one of Benedict’s closest allies. The letter included a striking line: Benedict expressed Meisner’s conviction that “the Lord does not abandon His Church, even if the boat has taken on so much water as to be on the verge of capsizing.” This metaphor of the “boat of the Church”—a traditional image for the Catholic institution navigating the storms of history—immediately sparked debate. Given the timing, five years into Francis’s papacy, some conservative critics of Francis interpreted it as a veiled jab at his leadership, suggesting that his progressive reforms were destabilizing the Church. The image of a capsizing vessel implied a crisis, and in the polarized climate of the Church, it was easy to cast Francis as the captain steering it toward ruin.
However, viewing this as slander against Francis requires closer scrutiny. Slander, by definition, involves a false statement intended to harm someone’s reputation. Benedict’s words, as conveyed through Gänswein, did not explicitly name Francis or his policies. The letter was a eulogy for Meisner, reflecting the late cardinal’s concerns about the Church’s state, not a direct papal critique. Benedict, known for his theological precision and reserved demeanor, had consistently avoided public interference in Francis’s pontificate after his 2013 resignation. In his own writings and rare statements as pope emeritus, he emphasized continuity with Francis, even praising his successor’s pastoral approach. For instance, in a 2016 interview, Benedict said, “I am grateful to be able to be connected to Pope Francis in a deep inner unity,” dispelling notions of rivalry.
Francis himself has dismissed the idea of tension between them as “nonsense.” In his 2024 book-length interview, The Successor: My Memories of Benedict XVI, he recounted their warm interactions and mutual respect, noting that Benedict “always defended me.” He addressed the broader narrative of division by suggesting that some exploit Benedict’s legacy to attack him, saying, “They use Benedict when they don’t have real arguments against me, and attribute things to him that are not true.” This aligns with Francis’s view of slander as a “diabolical cancer,” a phrase he used in a 2019 audience to describe how false narratives harm the Church’s unity. To Francis, the capsizing comment’s weaponization against him exemplifies this destructive tendency.
Contextually, the “capsizing” metaphor must be weighed against Benedict’s lifelong perspective. As early as 1956, Joseph Ratzinger (later Benedict XVI) wrote that the Church harbors both Christ and the Antichrist until the Last Judgment—a view suggesting inherent struggles, not a specific indictment of any pope. His papacy (2005–2013) was itself rocked by scandals like Vatileaks and clerical abuse, which he addressed with measures like the “large white box” of documents he handed to Francis in 2013, signaling unresolved challenges. If the Church was “taking on water” in 2017, it could reflect these persistent issues rather than Francis’s tenure alone. Meisner’s own conservatism, mirrored in Benedict’s letter, likely colored the sentiment, but pinning it solely on Francis’s reforms—like his synods on family and the Amazon—stretches the text beyond its intent.
Critics who frame the comment as slander often overlook this nuance. Conservative factions, wary of Francis’s openness to dialogue on celibacy, women’s roles, and interfaith engagement, amplified the capsizing imagery to suggest a sinking ship under a liberal captain. Yet, Benedict’s silence on specific policies and his loyalty to Francis undermine this narrative. Francis, in turn, has never publicly rebuked Benedict for the remark, instead focusing on their shared mission. The real slander, then, may lie not in Benedict’s words but in their misappropriation by those seeking to deepen Church divisions—a tactic Francis has consistently decried.
In conclusion, the “church capsizing” comment, while evocative, lacks the directness to constitute slander against Francis from Benedict. It reflects broader anxieties about the Church’s direction, voiced through Meisner’s lens and Benedict’s pen, but not a personal attack. The true harm emerges when such statements are twisted to fuel a false rivalry, a practice both popes have resisted. As of March 9, 2025, with Francis still leading amid ongoing challenges, the boat remains afloat—perhaps battered, but not capsized—suggesting resilience over ruin.

 










https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/former-vatican-doctrine-chief-denounces-pope-over-his-dismissal

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/world/muller-pope-strikes-back/index.html

http://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/07/20/former-telegraph-editor-pope-franciss-papacy-has-an-intellectual-deficiency/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDHWIeb2qEg

http://www.sltrib.com/home/5554386-155/commentary-is-the-catholic-church-a

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http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/07/16/emeritus-pope-benedict-xvi-church-is-on-the-verge-of-capsizing/

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https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/07/19/benedict-aide-fantasy-stupid-use-francis/

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/pope-emeritus-benedicts-message-a-capsizing-church-needs-courageous-bishops

Thursday, February 23, 2017

Pope: Atheists better than Hypocritical Catholics

Since the election of Pope Francis, the media has been taking his words out of context and fabricating all kinds of stories. They are at it again.  It is no wonder why President Trump says the media is the enemy of the people!  A week ago, the pope made some statements which the media twisted. Throughout the media world, headlines read, "Pope Francis says it is better to be an atheist than hypocritical Catholic!"  Immediately, Protestants, American Conservatives and Catholic "traditionalists" attacked the pope calling him a heretic and what not. However, if these people bothered to do research they would realize that they jumped to conclusions and slandered the pope. The pope did not say what the media said he said!  This is what he actually stated:


“But what is scandal? Scandal is saying one thing and doing another; it is a double life, a double life. A totally double life: ‘I am very Catholic, I always go to Mass, I belong to this association and that one; but my life is not Christian, I don’t pay my workers a just wage, I exploit people, I am dirty in my business, I launder money…’ A double life. And so many Christians are like this, and these people scandalize others.
How many times have we heard – all of us, around the neighborhood and elsewhere – ‘but to be a Catholic like that, it’s better to be an atheist.’ It is that, scandal. You destroy. You beat down. And this happens every day, it’s enough to see the news on TV, or to read the papers. In the papers there are so many scandals, and there is also the great publicity of the scandals. And with the scandals there is destruction.”

As you can see, he is not saying that it is better to be atheist.  What he is saying is what others tell Catholics who are hypocritical. Context means everything!  The dishonest media once again twisted the Holy Father's words in order to create media frenzy. Please do not believe everything the media says regarding the pope and the Catholic Church.  Always vet the information and find original sources.  The media lies a lot!





Source:

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2017/02/23/pope_dont_put_off_conversion,_give_up_a_double_life/1294470

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-suggests-better-atheist-hypocritical-catholic-163550834.html

https://churchpop.com/2017/02/23/no-pope-francis-did-not-say-its-better-to-be-an-atheist-than-a-bad-catholic/

http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/pope-better-to-be-atheist-than-bad-believer/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/world/pope-atheists-again/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/02/23/pope-francis-praises-the-torah-and-suggests-its-better-to-be-an-atheist-than-a-bad-catholic/?utm_term=.014dbb3d94aa

http://nypost.com/2017/02/23/pope-its-better-to-be-an-atheist-than-a-hypocritical-catholic/





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