tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-827824285101179434.post3648767502098315608..comments2023-08-11T04:59:57.364-04:00Comments on Sacerdotus: "God's Inerrant Omniscience Revisited" - CritiqueUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-827824285101179434.post-3016615480767940032013-08-11T15:33:14.171-04:002013-08-11T15:33:14.171-04:00Hey Joe, I see you found the box. For some reason...Hey Joe, I see you found the box. For some reason the main page doesn't show it. You have to either click the title of the blog post or "no comment" at the bottom in order to get the page with the comment box. Anyhow...<br /><br />Joe, you didn't understand my post. My post knocked down rosa's ideas and what you're asking about. If God were part of the universe; if we believed in pantheism, then yes, you and Rosa would have a point. However, God as the Judaeo-Christian and Muslim faiths understand Him is outside of space and time. He is in another "realm" in a sense. The rules don't apply to Him. He made the rules. We have choice because there are countless random outcomes that we can choose to allow to happen. This is because we are bound by the laws of physics and are part of particles that appear and disappear at/in random points of space and time. This is the "reality" we exist in. God is not bound by this. He created this so He can observe the many variations and can know what we choose because He is outside of the laws that we are bound to. <br /><br />There are things that we will never be able to understand. This is because we are bound to the laws of this universe and our minds are set to understand things within that boundary. Unfortunately, there is really nothing we can do about this. God is the only one who can open our minds to truly understand creation and whatever else is out there that we cannot perceive. The laws of physics have nothing to do with logic. Logic is an area of philosophy. <br /><br />Free will has nothing to do with God knowing per se. Free will has to do with us doing whatever we want and God won't interfere unless He has a plan to do so. This is what free will means. Atheists seem to think that free will and knowing are totally related, they are not. Free will means we are at the liberty to do whatever we want. God knowing what we will do does not take away from our ability to decide what we want to do.<br />String theory shows that there are countless variations of "reality" that can take place. This is why determinism can never work. It helps free will actually. Sub-atomic particles behave in a random manner within the laws of physics, yes; but this does not mean they are "set" in space and time. They are free to behave in the way they do based on the laws of physics. This can be similar to a computer program. There will be random codes that appear out of nowhere that exist within the main programming and can either work along with the main program or alter it. <br /><br />I have answered every point Rosa made, hence why he cannot respond to this post and is afraid to debate me. The problem is that you and him do not have a grasp of physics. This presents a challenge because in order to understand posts like this, one must have some background knowledge of quantum physics. Once you have this knowledge and set aside the old recycled atheist arguments that you use to filter this information, then you will realize that I answered each point. <br />Sacerdotushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04558048488785769126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-827824285101179434.post-37211424927995055162013-08-09T06:25:36.788-04:002013-08-09T06:25:36.788-04:00"It is possible for one to make any decision ..."It is possible for one to make any decision freely and at the same time God having awareness of it."<br /><br /> At the same time, yes. In advance? Not so much. As Rosa's point about breakfast illustrates. In order for free will to exist there must be an ability to make a choice. If one's actions are known in advance then no choice is possible.<br /><br />"This is exactly why God IS God. Only a being of this magnitude transcends time and space in a manner that we cannot comprehend."<br /><br /> The "It makes no sense to me either" defence. Not a good tactic!<br /><br />" They apply the laws of physics to an entity that is not bound to them."<br /><br />This is much more fundamental than the laws of physics, it is the very laws of logic themselves. To say that God is outside of logic is to say that god is illogical, which would explain why none of this makes any sense.<br /><br />"It means that God can know every outcome and every decision we make."<br /><br />Then there can be no free will. This is the point.<br /><br />String theory doesn't really help you here. It simply means that there vast numbers of different versions of us will be saved, vast numbers will be lost, and all of them will have no free will.<br /><br />"sub atomic particles behave in a random manner"<br /><br />Do they? Though our understanding is limited it seems like they obey rules and relationships between themselves in an entirely non-random manner.<br /><br />This is some response but you still haven't solved the insoluble.Joe's Worldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12446422740402958056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-827824285101179434.post-81960124965866390112013-05-09T19:34:38.102-04:002013-05-09T19:34:38.102-04:00lol what i see is that god isn't bound or expl...lol what i see is that god isn't bound or explained by logic either.<br />rofl XDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com